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chrysostom CATHOLIC Posts: 24,917 Posts Per Day: 11.65 Join Date: Jun 2005 Rep Power: 456553 Catholic Right Winger Slogan/motto: the Truth will make you happy Reputation:	ban joey - January 26th, 2011, 03:18 AM ban joey it is time for joey to go over 60 posts a day of stupid stuff put him on ignore and neg rep him a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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Tyrathca nosce te ipsum Posts: 2,003 Posts Per Day: 2.39 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Rep Power: 11185 Atheist More left than right Slogan/motto: "Think about how stupid the average person is; now realize half of them are dumber than that" Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 03:23 AM If anyone gets banned because of their post count it should be due to artificially inflating it with comments devoid of thought, value, relevance or effort. The raw number shouldn't be the primary concern. I'm not sure this is worth a thread about him though.

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JoeyArnold BANNED Posts: 3,826 Posts Per Day: 24.74 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 0 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 03:41 AM This is about oatmeal. We are all oatmeal. Why are people so easily divided? Why are people so blind to what they think they are seeing? Why do people only look at the outside of the cups, if the insides are still dirty? Why do people make fun of me so much? Why are my questions so easily dismissed? Why do people look past them while others are making fun of each other on TOL? I don't see a lot of love. I see a lot of pretending here on TOL. It makes me wonder. My questions are there for reasons. They are meant to be explored. They are not meant to lead people astray. I am only here to make the world a better place. That is my calling in life. I was called to joined Theology Online. It is my duty to participate and to encourage. It is my honor and my joy to learn from you guys. I appreciate everything from everybody and I don't want to see this unique opportunity die out. I am not sure why this thread is so against me. I am not sure why people have this kind of bias stereotype for me to get banned, arrested, condemned, to burn. I do not understand why people cannot be open and willing to consider my kind of Oatmeal. Why are you so against my Oatmeal and Ramen noodles of joy? With oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul?

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JoeyArnold BANNED Posts: 3,826 Posts Per Day: 24.74 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 0 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 03:45 AM Why does this thread create more attention than my thread about God?

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WizardofOz Filling little boxes with all my ticky tacky Posts: 5,740 Posts Per Day: 4.49 Join Date: Nov 2007 Rep Power: 81562 Other More left than right Slogan/motto: “Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 05:39 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Why does this thread create more attention than my thread about God? Your thread about God only has 4 posts? I'm sorry Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station

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MrDeets His Grace is enough... Posts: 709 Posts Per Day: 2.90 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: N. Texas Rep Power: 5565 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Romans 5:8... chokes me up, everytime! Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:21 AM I rarely agree with chrys, but I back the ban. Unless JoJo the spam artist tries to contribute something other than 8th grade rhetoric, or unless he can prove he's in 8th grade, bring on the banhammer! 1 John 4:7-8

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chrysostom CATHOLIC Posts: 24,917 Posts Per Day: 11.65 Join Date: Jun 2005 Rep Power: 456553 Catholic Right Winger Slogan/motto: the Truth will make you happy Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:27 AM do you think joey is saved? a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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Nick M Right Posts: 18,030 Posts Per Day: 9.99 Join Date: May 2006 Rep Power: 290129 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: If indeed you have heard of the Dispensation of Grace given to me for you... Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 06:27 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold My questions are there for reasons. They are meant to be explored. One of the reasons you annoy people is you ask a direct question, you get an answer, and then you ask again like a 3 year old asking "why". Carry on. As far as I have read, a high post count isn't an infraction here. Jesus saves completely. A9D-EL Titus 1:10-11 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped http://teapartypatriots.org/BlogPost...9-8ef4468a197a

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MrDeets His Grace is enough... Posts: 709 Posts Per Day: 2.90 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: N. Texas Rep Power: 5565 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Romans 5:8... chokes me up, everytime! Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:34 AM I don't know. I cannot see his heart, but by his actions, I'd say he's just a mixed up, lonely kid. 1 John 4:7-8

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WizardofOz Filling little boxes with all my ticky tacky Posts: 5,740 Posts Per Day: 4.49 Join Date: Nov 2007 Rep Power: 81562 Other More left than right Slogan/motto: “Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:50 AM He made a vid for TOL - he's a keeper. He's a quantity over quality type but he's certainly not the only one But yes, he asks too many silly questions. Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station

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Town Heretic Jack and Co. Posts: 15,164 Posts Per Day: 11.14 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Within a whisper of rivers... Rep Power: 446022 Christian More left than right Slogan/motto: "Great lunch! Who's up for a swim?" Famous Last Words, Vol. 12 Blog Entries: 9 Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 08:33 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold ...Why are people so blind to what they think they are seeing? Does the problem you have your hands on feel like a snake or a hippopotamus? Quote: Why do people make fun of me so much? Why do you live under a bridge and yell at people intent on going someplace? Quote: Why are my questions so easily dismissed? Because, Tin Man, because. Now ask better ones. Quote: I don't see a lot of love. Could be a metaphorical astigmatism. You should look into that...oops, sorry. Quote: I see a lot of pretending here on TOL. Like Liberace criticizing the lack of a dress code. Quote: I am only here to make the world a better place. Ah, then I'd suggest you start with this forum by spending more time out of doors, without electronics. Quote: I was called to joined Theology Online. It is my duty to participate and to encourage. When does that start? Quote: I am not sure why this thread is so against me. If I had to guess, I'd start with the title. Quote: I am not sure why people have this kind of bias stereotype for me to get banned, arrested, condemned, to burn. See, the end of that answers the first of it. "So finally we have something in common, neither of us appearing to understand what you mean." zoo:

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Squishes Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,464 Posts Per Day: 1.76 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Changes frequently. Rep Power: 11710 Agnostic Pinko Commie Slogan/motto: Admit when you're wrong, be slow to believe. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 08:38 AM Quote: Originally Posted by Town Heretic Ah, then I'd suggest you start with this forum by spending more time out of doors, without electronics. This. The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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Inzl Kett Jeremiah 17:7-8 Posts: 1,413 Posts Per Day: 8.66 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: On the banks of a river. Rep Power: 9166 Christian Right Wing Zealot Slogan/motto: God said it, I believe it, that settles it. Blog Entries: 1 Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 11:37 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold This is about oatmeal. We are all oatmeal. Why are you so against my Oatmeal and Ramen noodles of joy? With oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Joey, Town Heretic addressed the body of your post quite well. The end wraps here that I am quoting is only a sample of the inane nonsense that you post all over this forum. Nick M hits the nail on the head as to why you annoy people so much. Quote: Originally Posted by Nick M One of the reasons you annoy people is you ask a direct question, you get an answer, and then you ask again like a 3 year old asking "why". On most message boards that is considered trolling. A person calling himself Joreba was just banned from the forum where I am a supermod for doing the same thing. He would post a direct question, people would answer him, then he would post the question again, not accepting the answers of the people in a rather nasty way. You post like this Joreba character. That is why people are calling for your banning. Also many of your posts about Jesus cut close to blasphemy. If you do not believe he is God, you should not be wearing the Christian identifier. Belief that Jesus is God is key to being a Christian. To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society - Theodore Roosevelt

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some other dude TOL Subscriber Posts: 5,513 Posts Per Day: 17.24 Join Date: Jun 2010 Rep Power: 16603 Protestant Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: Reading the Gospel Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 11:39 AM Quote: Originally Posted by Inzl Kett Joey, Town Heretic addressed the body of your post quite well. The end wraps here that I am quoting is only a sample if a inane nonsense that you post all over this forum. Nick M hits the nail on the head as to why you annoy people so much. On most message boards that is considered trolling. A person calling himself Joreba was just banned from the forum where I am a supermod for doing the same thing. He would post a direct question, people would answer him, then he would post the question again, not accepting the answers of the people in a rather nasty way. You post like this Joreba character. That is why people are calling for your banning. Also many of your posts about Jesus cut close to blasphemy. If you do not believe he is God, you should not be wearing the Christian identifier. Belief that Jesus is God is key to being a Christian. Much of what you say here could apply equally well to Krystyna. Or Squeaky.

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Rusha There Is No Such Thing as a *Pregnancy Leprechaun* Posts: 10,494 Posts Per Day: 8.22 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Nebraska ... for now Rep Power: 169157 Other More left than right Slogan/motto: Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 11:47 AM I don't personally see that Joey has done anything worthy of a permanent banishment. Is he annoying. Yep ... However, should he reach such a low level that he is insulting the family members of other posters ... then yep. “In a letter to Julia Ward Howe in 1873, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the woman who shocked society, Mr. Speaker, by daring to leave her house proudly showing her pregnancy–because that was just not done–wrote: `When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women to treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.’” ~ Rep. Jean Schmidt quoting Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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TomO Deal With It. Posts: 11,187 Posts Per Day: 5.87 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Clowns and the Jokers Rep Power: 287978 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Don't look back; something might be gaining on you. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 12:12 PM Oh look; Chrys is ordering everyone around again. ....what a shock. Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder : Leonard Cohen

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zippy2006 TOL Subscriber Posts: 3,788 Posts Per Day: 6.52 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Minnesota Rep Power: 27276 Catholic More right than left Slogan/motto: Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 12:14 PM Quote: Originally Posted by TomO Oh look; Chrys is ordering everyone around again. ....what a shock. "Be not afraid. I go before you always. Come follow me, and I will give you rest." Calvinism is wrong for a very simple reason, namely because it tries to incur guilt in the absence of responsibility by denying St. Augustine's words, "The sin with which God charged Adam was a sin from which he could have refrained."

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Ryan Collins Over 500 post club Posts: 617 Posts Per Day: 1.98 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Moving to Portland, OR Rep Power: 1635 Christian More left than right Slogan/motto: be thou my vision Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 12:39 PM I'm all for the banning of Joey Arnold and already have him on ignore. I do not know how many posts (substantial and relevant to the discussion) have been overlooked inadvertently due to this guy's constant trolling of dumb crap. "He has shown all you people what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." Micah 6:8

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Squishes Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,464 Posts Per Day: 1.76 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Changes frequently. Rep Power: 11710 Agnostic Pinko Commie Slogan/motto: Admit when you're wrong, be slow to believe. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 01:28 PM I don't want him banned, despite the usual nonsensical nature of his posts. Is there not an ignore function? I can't see how this guy could bother you if you don't see what he is doing. The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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JoeyArnold BANNED Posts: 3,826 Posts Per Day: 24.74 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 0 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 02:22 PM Why are grownups biased against the questions of children? Jesus told His disciples that they "Would not be able to enter into the kingdom of God until they became like little children" (Matthew 18:4). Grownups overlook the sincerity of kids. Kids are totally overlooked, here, there, and everywhere. My social experiment here has just proved that. Paul told Timothy not to let anybody looked down on his youth. Because that is what people do to kids. They tell kids that they cannot drive yet, vote yet, drink yet, be responsible enough, can't do this yet, can't do that yet. That discourages kids. That destroys them, it scars them for life, if you will. That is a huge factor for why kids will run away from home, or to why they will do bad things, or worse. It may even lead to even bigger juvenile crimes, such as: lying, theft, murder, suicide, abortion, etc. What are we going to do to stop that? Solomon wrote, "May we remember our Creator in the days of our youth, before things get worse when we get older" (Ecclesiastes 12:1). Again, I must say it again: when are we going to stop overlooking things from a perspective of face-value? Humans are so impatient. They just want answers immediately. When they give out answers, they just want to be patted on the back because of how proud they are with their own answers. They don't want their answers contested. Grownups are often so brainwashed. Their interaction with children proof just that. It discourages me that people don't really listen to their kids. When a kid asks, "Why is the sky blue?" A grownup may get upset and they may say, "Because I said so. Or just ask God after you die" Grownups also neglect the wisdom of kids, too. Sometimes kids are aware of things that we often neglect. Because we're so happy with our own answers. We don't want anybody to tell us we're wrong. Town Heretic just mentioned the name Invictus, who was a young poet who caught a disease when he was only twelve. They later had to cut one of his legs off to keep the disease from spreading. As the body of Christ, I'm either Invictus, or I'm the disease. If I am in fact the disease, then you will need to cut me off from your lives. But if I am that little boy, then you need to cut my leg off, for the sake of all of our sanity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invictus Last edited by JoeyArnold; January 26th, 2011 at 03:17 PM.

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Town Heretic Jack and Co. Posts: 15,164 Posts Per Day: 11.14 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Within a whisper of rivers... Rep Power: 446022 Christian More left than right Slogan/motto: "Great lunch! Who's up for a swim?" Famous Last Words, Vol. 12 Blog Entries: 9 Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 03:13 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Why are grownups biased against the questions of children? Depends. How repetitive, simple, and (most importantly) ANSWERED does one have to be before you see it differently. Quote: Grownups overlook the sincerity of kids. Hitler was sincere [bonus round begins/dollar values are doubled]. Quote: Kids are totally overlooked, Only if they're really tiny. And then it's up to them to watch where we step. Quote: Because that is what people do to kids. They tell kids that they cannot drive yet, vote yet, drink yet, be responsible enough, can't do this yet, can't do that yet. That's "looking down" in the same sense that keeping car keys out of the hands of a drunk at closing time is. Quote: That discourages kids. That destroys them, it scars them for life, if you will. Nah. That's just what kids say when you tell them they can't stay up to watch Comedy Central on a school night. Kids...they fall upon the thorns of life...they bleed...a lot. (with apologies to Shelley) Quote: That is a huge factor for why kids will run away from home, or to why they will do bad things, or worse. Where I think it's more what isn't said often enough...no. Or because there's rarely anyone there to say anything at all. Quote: Solomon wrote, "May we remember our Creator in the days of our youth, before things get worse when we get older." Again, I must say it again: when are we going to stop overlooking things from a perspective of face-value? Humans are so impatient. They just want answers immediately. When they give out answers, they just want to be patted on the back because of how proud they are with their own answers. They don't want their answers contested. A neat, round about self justification, but why pretend at a gravitas in the particular that is undone by a general practice? Or, to lean on the tried and true: fuel me once and it's gas for free. Quote: Grownups are often so brainwashed. Kids so need a better dictionary...or thesaurus...or education. Quote: Their interaction with children proof just that. It discourages me that people don't really listen to their kids. When a kid asks, "Why is the sky blue?" A grownup may get upset and they may say, "Because I said so. Or just ask God after you die." Almost no one says that though...or acts like that really. As sustainable as asking why kids are always killing grown ups and lying about them after they're dead. Mostly it doesn't work out that way. Quote: Grownups also neglect the wisdom of kids, too. Sometimes kids are aware of things that we often neglect. Exceptions. Usually you don't go to college to unlearn and get worse at things in general. Except in parts of Arkansas. Quote: Because we're so happy with our own answers. We don't want anybody to tell us we're wrong. Telling is easy. Proving...that takes something more than the willingness to exhale in syllables. "So finally we have something in common, neither of us appearing to understand what you mean." zoo:

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Nick M Right Posts: 18,030 Posts Per Day: 9.99 Join Date: May 2006 Rep Power: 290129 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: If indeed you have heard of the Dispensation of Grace given to me for you... Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 03:25 PM Why did you call Jesus dirt? I think you just wanted to say it, and were waiting for your chance. Jesus saves completely. A9D-EL Titus 1:10-11 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped http://teapartypatriots.org/BlogPost...9-8ef4468a197a

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serpentdove TOL Legend Posts: 7,814 Posts Per Day: 11.59 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Denver Rep Power: 16865 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Telling That Which is Profitable (Acts 20:20). Blog Entries: 1 Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 03:54 PM Quote: Originally Posted by WizardofOz [H]e asks too many silly questions. I thought there were no dumb questions (Isa 1:18). What's new? PlastikBuddah [aka Gamera] make-believer. Kmoney [aka Count Iblis] make-believer. Alate_One deceives students in the classroom. Arthur Brain wants answers. Eph 5:11 "Being a square keeps you from going around in circles." ~ J Vernon McGee Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13.

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some other dude TOL Subscriber Posts: 5,513 Posts Per Day: 17.24 Join Date: Jun 2010 Rep Power: 16603 Protestant Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: Reading the Gospel Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:02 PM Quote: Originally Posted by serpentdove I thought there were no dumb questions (Isa 1:18). There are no stupid questions, only stupid people. (Mackey 2:6)

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Thunder's Muse Lady of Royal Array Posts: 3,023 Posts Per Day: 2.78 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia (Rural) Rep Power: 68023 Christian (Other) More left than right Slogan/motto: But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us. Blog Entries: 5 Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:10 PM I don't think Joey should be banned. He's not annoying me It is what it is.

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Guyver Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,139 Posts Per Day: 1.01 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Rep Power: 3754 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: The Lord is good to those who wait for Him, to the soul who seeks him. Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom do you think joey is saved? I know you're only asking for opinion....but - that's just not a judgement call that anyone should even make. Instead of banning JA, how about just asking him to stop making so many threads? If all he did was respond in threads that are already established, or make a few of his own that are actually good, no one would mind. It's the twelve or thirteen threads at one time that annoy. But in his defense, he does participate in his threads. Still to JA, I suggest....back off on the number of active threads on the board and you won't offend the old timers so much.

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agnostic_gnostic Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,373 Posts Per Day: 6.54 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: trapped inside a hominid skull Rep Power: 4357 Agnostic More left than right Slogan/motto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TdbwDfdaoA&NR=1&feature=fvwp Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM I like Joey. Besides all this "ban Joey" stuff is just childish cruelty. And of course the herd mentality has taken over. Yes, some of his stuff is just plain absurd, but a lot of it is not and actually shows a wonder at the mysteries that we as cynical adults believe have been obviously solved. I take his more absurd posts as a youthful attempt at Dada or surrealism. Nothing personal Joey, but the grandmasters do it far better. http://www.magritte.com/ http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutle...Surrealism.htm http://www.google.com/images?client=...-s1g2&aql=&oq=

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JoeyArnold BANNED Posts: 3,826 Posts Per Day: 24.74 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 0 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 04:23 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Nick M Why did you call Jesus dirt? I think you just wanted to say it, and were waiting for your chance. Non-trinitarians irritates me. If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is dirt, a man, a mortal. Jesus commanded people to worship Him. Jesus forgave people's sins. Only God can forgive people's sins. Of course, to some extent, Jesus gave Christians the duty of forgiving. But there's a difference between forgiving sins and dying for sins. Anyways, God never really talked to Jesus. Was Jesus just a prophet? God spoke to prophets. God would tell the prophets, "Thus said the Lord, tell my people this and that. If they don't turn from their sins (idolatry), then bad things will happen." The prophets would do what God would tell them to do. Jonah is the exception. Eventually, Jonah did as God asked. But God didn't tell Jesus what to say: Unless if they forgot to write down that part. Because when would God come down to tell Jesus what to say and do? I wouldn't leave that part of the story out. Jesus was even talking to Rabbis when He was only twelve. John wrote that Jesus was the Word, that the Word is God, was there in the beginning, and that the Word became flesh. Jesus ran away from His parents when He was twelve. What possessed Him to do that? Running away has to be sin, unless if Jesus was God. Isaiah wrote that Jesus is going to be called Mighty God, Emmanuel (God with us). The wise men came to see a King. If Jesus was only a man then Jesus would be no King, unless if Jesus is God, who is the King of Kings. The writer to Hebrews (possibly Paul) wrote: That Jesus was greater than all the prophets, teachers, priests. Jesus even healed on the Sabbath. Thomas said that Jesus was God. Jesus said that He and God are one. The Old Testament says that God is one. The New Testament says that there is one God, one Savior, one church, one baptism. The burning bush told Moses that He was the Great I Am. Jesus told people He was the Great I Am. Jesus said He was coming back. Jesus never said He was an angel. Satan even tempts Jesus. Satan quotes from Psalms: And says that His angels would keep Jesus from dying, had Jesus jumped off this building or cliff. Jesus said, "Don't test the Lord your God." Satan originally was the worship leader in Heaven until Satan wanted to be worshipped. Finally, Satan had another opportunity to be worshipped. Satan demanded that Jesus worshipped him. Satan said that he would give Jesus the whole world if Jesus would worship him. Satan wouldn't give up his kingdom for anybody. That encounter was very unique. More unique then when Satan went to tempt Job. God had a lot to teach Job, even. God asked Job, "Where were you when I was making the Heavens and the earth. Job, please be careful when questioning me. Father knows best." Jesus knew best, too. Jesus calmed the seas while on the boat. Jesus walked on water. The disciples worshipped Jesus for that. God told people in the Old Testament to worship Him. Jesus told people in the New Testament, however, to worship Him, as in Jesus, not God, unless if they are in fact one and the same. Idolatry is when you worship more than just God. If Jesus allowed that, then Jesus would be an accessory to sin. Jesus also died for our sins. The Old Testament says that man can only die for their own sins. An infinite amount of sins cannot be paid for by a finite amount of humans, or even by one perfect one. Humans cannot be perfect in and of themselves. If Jesus was not perfect then Jesus could not be the perfect lamb without spots. Soteriology and theology depends on this kind of christology. If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is then only dirt. But that is why I started a bunch of threads for Krystyna. Krystyna is going around in circles with everybody else. Everybody is saying the same things over and over to each other in threads about non-trinitarianism, trinitarism, God, Jesus. I wanted to reinvent the wheel. The definition of insanity is in trying the same old things over and over, like the Indians. No offense or anything, but I wanted to try some new things and try opening people's minds up to the facts through the art of asking questions. Jesus would ask questions. Jesus would hide truth within parables. That is why I talk in riddles. I also needed to get some points across. If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is only a liar, and not even worthy to be described as a second Adam (who was made of dirt, Genesis 2:7). I was saying that this is what Krystyna, Oatmeal, and Only1God was saying.

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Omega39 Rookie Posts: 49 Posts Per Day: 0.31 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Rep Power: 407 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: "A good example is far better than a good precept." - Dwight L. Moody Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 04:25 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Because we're so happy with our own answers. We don't want anybody to tell us we're wrong. Then why do you keep asking questions here, since you hold the above statement as truth? I'm seventeen (a junior in high school), and I don't mind if adults (or fellow peers) tell me that I am wrong. If I am in error, I want them tell me! If I believe and uphold a certain belief in Christianity that is false, I want them to rebuke me, correct me, and train me according to God's precepts. Like the sons of Korah, I pant for God and his words and direction (Psalm 42:1). Please do NOT include the entire youth population in that statement, because not every child is arrogant like that. Your statement is insulting.

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JoeyArnold BANNED Posts: 3,826 Posts Per Day: 24.74 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 0 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:31 PM Omega, my statements are generalities (like Psalms & Proverbs).

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Omega39 Rookie Posts: 49 Posts Per Day: 0.31 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Rep Power: 407 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: "A good example is far better than a good precept." - Dwight L. Moody Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:31 PM Quote: Originally Posted by serpentdove I thought there were no dumb questions (Isa 1:18). If you and me were to go drive to McDonald's to get some lunch, and we past the Drive Thru sign that says "Open 24 Hours", and I then ask you, "When does it close?", would you consider that a dumb question?

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Town Heretic Jack and Co. Posts: 15,164 Posts Per Day: 11.14 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Within a whisper of rivers... Rep Power: 446022 Christian More left than right Slogan/motto: "Great lunch! Who's up for a swim?" Famous Last Words, Vol. 12 Blog Entries: 9 Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 04:34 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Omega39 Then why do you keep asking questions here, since you hold the above statement as truth? I'm seventeen (a junior in high school), and I don't mind if adults (or fellow peers) tell me that I am wrong. If I am in error, I want them tell me! If I believe and uphold a certain belief in Christianity that is false, I want them to rebuke me, correct me, and train me according to God's precepts. Like the sons of Korah, I pant for God and his words and direction (Psalm 42:1). Please do NOT include the entire youth population in that statement, because not every child is arrogant like that. Your statement is insulting. That's a remarkably mature statement... I wouldn't have been capable of it at your age. ...or last week. "So finally we have something in common, neither of us appearing to understand what you mean." zoo:

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agnostic_gnostic Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,373 Posts Per Day: 6.54 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: trapped inside a hominid skull Rep Power: 4357 Agnostic More left than right Slogan/motto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TdbwDfdaoA&NR=1&feature=fvwp Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:36 PM I once went to a store that had a sign that said "open 24 hours" and they were closing! I asked the man and he answered," yes we are open 24 hours but not in a row." A joke by Stephen Wright ( his comedy is Surreal.) http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html My response to post 31

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January 26th, 2011, 04:36 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Omega39 If you and me were to go drive to McDonald's to get some lunch, and we past the Drive Thru sign that says "Open 24 Hours", and I then ask you, "When does it close?", would you consider that a dumb question? No. Not a dumb question. McDonalds may say that they are open 24 hours a day. But how long can they keep that up? If they go out of business, then they will have to close. They may be closed on holidays. The question may imply, "How do they afford staying open all the time?" Or are there really people eating at 2am? The question is a question of curiosity. Like, who would want to work graveyard shifts, anyways? When I hear a simple question, I start thinking about millions of things: That are related to the topic. I connect the dots. I think about the implications to the questions. Because there is more to life than what meets the eyes. A picture is worth a thousand words. Each letter is like a picture which is then worth another thousand or more words. Things are deeper. There are no dumb questions, if there is reason for that journey.

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Omega39 Rookie Posts: 49 Posts Per Day: 0.31 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Rep Power: 407 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: "A good example is far better than a good precept." - Dwight L. Moody Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 04:40 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Town Heretic That's a remarkably mature statement... I wouldn't have been capable of it at your age. ...or last week. Thank you kindly.

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January 26th, 2011, 05:04 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Omega39 Then why do you keep asking questions here, since you hold the above statement as truth? I'm seventeen (a junior in high school), and I don't mind if adults (or fellow peers) tell me that I am wrong. If I am in error, I want them tell me! If I believe and uphold a certain belief in Christianity that is false, I want them to rebuke me, correct me, and train me according to God's precepts. Like the sons of Korah, I pant for God and his words and direction (Psalm 42:1). Please do NOT include the entire youth population in that statement, because not every child is arrogant like that. Your statement is insulting. I thought the Teenage Regulatory Commission revoked your card if you didn't know everything. Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder : Leonard Cohen

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TomO Deal With It. Posts: 11,187 Posts Per Day: 5.87 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Clowns and the Jokers Rep Power: 287978 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Don't look back; something might be gaining on you. Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 05:10 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold [b]It discourages me that people don't really listen to their kids. When a kid asks, "Why is the sky blue?" A grownup may get upset and they may say, "Because I said so. Or just ask God after you die" Well, the last time I tried to explain the Rayleigh scattering effect to a four year old he started crying. Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder : Leonard Cohen

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January 26th, 2011, 05:11 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold No. Not a dumb question. McDonalds may say that they are open 24 hours a day. But how long can they keep that up? If they go out of business, then they will have to close. They may be closed on holidays. The question may imply, "How do they afford staying open all the time?" Or are there really people eating at 2am? The question is a question of curiosity. Like, who would want to work graveyard shifts, anyways? No, it is a dumb question. You have to pay attention to the immediate context. If I wanted to know if McDonalds was ever going to shut down, I would have asked just that. On a side note, that is how we are to approach Scripture: Observing the context. Let the text speak for itself. Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold When I hear a simple question, I start thinking about millions of things: That are related to the topic. I connect the dots. I think about the implications to the questions. Because there is more to life than what meets the eyes. A picture is worth a thousand words. Each letter is like a picture which is then worth another thousand or more words. Things are deeper. Again, you must observe the context of the question. When one asks a question, he or she wants an exact answer according to that question, not a huge semantic range of answers. It's common sense. And FYI: a good picture is worth a thousand words. Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold There are no dumb questions, if there is reason for that journey. According to this, you are admitting that there are dumb questions with certain conditions and parameters.

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One Eyed Jack Gold level Subscriber Posts: 6,547 Posts Per Day: 2.21 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Greensboro, NC Rep Power: 32585 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: I really have two eyes. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 05:13 PM For the record, I work the graveyard shift. But not at McDonald's.

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January 26th, 2011, 05:37 PM Quote: Originally Posted by TomO I thought the Teenage Regulatory Commission revoked your card if you didn't know everything. If that's the case, they would ALL lose their cards because they didn't know that someone like me would admit that I don't know everything. There goes their "omniscience". Besides, aren't regulatory commissions supposed to be free from political influence that the youth actually know more than adults?

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January 26th, 2011, 05:39 PM Magritte is my favorite painter. Probably because I'm into Wittgenstein and the philosophy of language. ( To see why this post fits in here, see my posts, 27 and 33) http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...1t:429,r:8,s:0 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1024&bih=584 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1024&bih=584 What is surreal about that last painting? Most when glancing at it see nothing unusual. However, those that truly see reality notice that even the "mundane" ( what everyone takes as obvious and easily understood) is deeply paradoxical and disturbing. Do you see the paradox in the painting?

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agnostic_gnostic Over 1000 post club Posts: 1,373 Posts Per Day: 6.54 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: trapped inside a hominid skull Rep Power: 4357 Agnostic More left than right Slogan/motto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TdbwDfdaoA&NR=1&feature=fvwp Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 05:41 PM "My painting is visible images which conceal nothing; they evoke mystery and, indeed, when one sees one of my pictures, one asks oneself this simple question 'What does that mean'? It does not mean anything, because mystery means nothing either, it is unknowable." René Magritte FROM http://www.magritte.com/

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MrDeets His Grace is enough... Posts: 709 Posts Per Day: 2.90 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: N. Texas Rep Power: 5565 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Romans 5:8... chokes me up, everytime! Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 05:49 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Town Heretic Only if they're really tiny. You don't believe that. Quote: Originally Posted by Town Heretic Felt my son move for the first time the other day as I was listening after him... Still gliding along on that contact high. Fibber. 1 John 4:7-8

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TomO Deal With It. Posts: 11,187 Posts Per Day: 5.87 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Clowns and the Jokers Rep Power: 287978 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Don't look back; something might be gaining on you. Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 05:51 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Omega39 If that's the case, they would ALL lose their cards because they didn't know that someone like me would admit that I don't know everything. There goes their "omniscience". Besides, aren't regulatory commissions supposed to be free from political influence that the youth actually know more than adults? Flawless logic......hmmmm, maybe you really do know everything. Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder : Leonard Cohen

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January 26th, 2011, 05:52 PM Continuation of my post 41. Perhaps, another and better example is the following painting. Most when seeing it see nothing paradoxical. And when someone questions it because of its paradox they ridicule the questioner because to the mundane people it is just a painting of people walking around in a circle. Do you see the paradox? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...t:429,r:16,s:0

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Town Heretic Jack and Co. Posts: 15,164 Posts Per Day: 11.14 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Within a whisper of rivers... Rep Power: 446022 Christian More left than right Slogan/motto: "Great lunch! Who's up for a swim?" Famous Last Words, Vol. 12 Blog Entries: 9 Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 05:56 PM Quote: Originally Posted by MrDeets You don't believe that. No, but it was funnier that way. Quote: Fibber. I live in a world full of wonder... "So finally we have something in common, neither of us appearing to understand what you mean." zoo:

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Ask Mr. Religion Presbyterian (PCA) Posts: 5,026 Posts Per Day: 3.41 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ Rep Power: 256583 Protestant Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: http://www.doyouconfess.com Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 05:59 PM Inexplicably, JA confuses the discussion forums for the chatbox. Too many one-liners as if he is in a real-time chat forum. When asked for direct answers one is treated to side-stepping responses, the game of twenty questions, and frequent trips down the rabbit hole. It is clear to me the young man can occasionally put together more than one sentence at a time, and cogently, too, but his apparent desire to appear clever and non-responsive does wear thin quickly. No matter what the thread or the topic, JA seems incapable of avoiding popping by for a few drive-by quips and then bounces along to the next shiny object. It would be wonderful if he could directly answer questions put to him or contribute more than just more questions to ongoing discussions. I am sure he has opinions and beliefs, so why does he play it coy when asked to share them? I pray for him, as it seems to me he is in need of older adult fellowship and guidance. When I and others have tried to provide some, I cannot help but think he is shining us on as if everything were a silly game. If these are not his intentions, JA needs to consider that the message received is the message sent, whether he intended the message being received or not. His communication style is a barrier to whatever ends he is seeking. I would not join the call to ban him or any member unless they have broken some rules. There is a rule of sorts about substantive participation in discussions, and the interpretation of exactly what substantive means is best left in the moderator's hands. AMR __________________________________________________ ____________ Everyone is a Calvinist on their knees. Founder, Reformed Theology Institute Faculty, The North American Reformed Seminary I fear explanations explanatory of things explained. Christian, catholic, Calvinist, evangelical, Presbyterian (PCA). If your username appears in blue and you have over 500 posts: Why? __________________________________________________ ____________ Last edited by Ask Mr. Religion; January 26th, 2011 at 09:47 PM.

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Omega39 Rookie Posts: 49 Posts Per Day: 0.31 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Rep Power: 407 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: "A good example is far better than a good precept." - Dwight L. Moody Reputation:

January 26th, 2011, 06:37 PM Quote: Originally Posted by TomO Flawless logic......hmmmm, maybe you really do know everything. Ha! My grades say otherwise. Anyways, it's impossible for creation to know everything, let alone understand it all. We worship a God who does both flawlessly, and I'm thankful for that. I certainly believe if one admits he does not know everything and believes deep in his heart that God knows and understands everything, then we know something worth knowing and sharing. Proverbs 2:1-6, Matthew 28:18-20, 2 Corinthians 5:11

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Persephone66 Red as blood, Vague as the sky Posts: 6,375 Posts Per Day: 5.08 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Eye of Terror Rep Power: 53793 Atheist More right than left Slogan/motto: Can't you leave this where you left integrity behind? Blog Entries: 5 Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:49 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Rusha However, should he reach such a low level that he is insulting the family members of other posters ... then yep. That will only get you banned if you are an atheist. I won't feed your guilt. I won't feed your greed. I won't feed your anger. Who's laughing now? I:Scintilla ~ Ammunition

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kmoney Gold level Subscriber Posts: 24,639 Posts Per Day: 11.31 Join Date: May 2005 Location: A farm Rep Power: 185108 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: Success is a journey, not a destination. So stop running. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:52 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Persephone66 That will only get you banned if you are an atheist. Slow dancing in a burning room. Don't tase me, bro!!

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kmoney Gold level Subscriber Posts: 24,639 Posts Per Day: 11.31 Join Date: May 2005 Location: A farm Rep Power: 185108 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: Success is a journey, not a destination. So stop running. Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 06:53 PM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom ban joey it is time for joey to go over 60 posts a day of stupid stuff put him on ignore and neg rep him Who's Joey? Slow dancing in a burning room. Don't tase me, bro!!

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MrDeets His Grace is enough... Posts: 709 Posts Per Day: 2.90 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: N. Texas Rep Power: 5565 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Romans 5:8... chokes me up, everytime! Reputation:	January 26th, 2011, 07:08 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Persephone66 That will only get you banned if you are an atheist. Hogwash. If any theist on this site went after someones family, I guarantee you I'd back the ban. Just let me know, sir/ma'am. Not being rude, which do you prefer? I am big on both. 1 John 4:7-8

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chrysostom CATHOLIC Posts: 24,918 Posts Per Day: 11.65 Join Date: Jun 2005 Rep Power: 456554 Catholic Right Winger Slogan/motto: the Truth will make you happy Reputation:	January 27th, 2011, 02:46 AM so what happened to joey? I already miss him a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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steko Gold level Subscriber Posts: 1,205 Posts Per Day: 5.80 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tennessee Rep Power: 7841 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: we'll see Reputation:	January 27th, 2011, 06:26 AM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom so what happened to joey? I already miss him I've noticed that he leaves periodically. He'll be back, I expect.

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chrysostom CATHOLIC Posts: 24,918 Posts Per Day: 11.65 Join Date: Jun 2005 Rep Power: 456554 Catholic Right Winger Slogan/motto: the Truth will make you happy Reputation:	January 27th, 2011, 07:16 AM if you want to have a dialogue this is a good time to start one a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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serpentdove TOL Legend Posts: 7,814 Posts Per Day: 11.59 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Denver Rep Power: 16865 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Telling That Which is Profitable (Acts 20:20). Blog Entries: 1 Reputation:

January 27th, 2011, 08:28 AM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom so what happened to joey? I already miss him You could remind him by PM how awful he is? Rev. 12:10 What's new? PlastikBuddah [aka Gamera] make-believer. Kmoney [aka Count Iblis] make-believer. Alate_One deceives students in the classroom. Arthur Brain wants answers. Eph 5:11 "Being a square keeps you from going around in circles." ~ J Vernon McGee Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13.

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chrysostom CATHOLIC Posts: 24,918 Posts Per Day: 11.65 Join Date: Jun 2005 Rep Power: 456554 Catholic Right Winger Slogan/motto: the Truth will make you happy Reputation:	January 27th, 2011, 08:29 AM Quote: Originally Posted by serpentdove You could remind him by PM how awful he is? Rev. 12:10 I could also put it in my signature a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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serpentdove TOL Legend Posts: 7,814 Posts Per Day: 11.59 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Denver Rep Power: 16865 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: Telling That Which is Profitable (Acts 20:20). Blog Entries: 1 Reputation:

January 27th, 2011, 09:52 AM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom [Re 12:10] I could also put it in my signature If you believe he deceives, make your case (Deut. 13:1–3; Matt. 5:19; 7:15; 15:2–20; 23:2–33; Luke 11:38–52). As a reminder, you have no righteous works (Isa 64:6). Righteousness is found in Christ (Isa 54:17). Get yourself a savior, then do a good work (Eph 2:8, Jas 2:17-18). What's new? PlastikBuddah [aka Gamera] make-believer. Kmoney [aka Count Iblis] make-believer. Alate_One deceives students in the classroom. Arthur Brain wants answers. Eph 5:11 "Being a square keeps you from going around in circles." ~ J Vernon McGee Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13. Last edited by serpentdove; January 27th, 2011 at 09:53 AM. Reason: post error

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vegascowboy Son of Liberty Posts: 2,877 Posts Per Day: 12.79 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere on the prairie... Rep Power: 21890 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: The author of all things watches over me, and I have a fine horse. Reputation:

January 27th, 2011, 10:37 AM Quote: Originally Posted by Omega39 If you and me were to go drive to McDonald's to get some lunch, and we past the Drive Thru sign that says "Open 24 Hours", and I then ask you, "When does it close?", would you consider that a dumb question? Not necessarily. There is a 24-Hour Fitness here in Vegas that closes at 11pm. I am strange. ( Go ahead everyone, make your comments now...) I sort of see the good in most questions. I also have never seen a movie that I really hated completely. I always find something of worth. Perhaps I have seen the wrong (or right, depending on your point of view) movies or heard the wrong questions. I like Joey. Maybe I see a bit of myself in him at that age. I am very curious. I am sure that part of his posts are directed to inflating his post count, but I think his intentions are good. He asks thoughtful, if not short, questions that have made me think, for one. He could do with a little more fresh air...a ride through the countryside would do him a world of good...but I think he's far from needing to be banned. Anyway. It is a simple thing to ignore him if a person wishes. (O39...this wasn't all directed at you! Your e-mail provided an opening for me to speak my piece. ) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. -Proverbs 28:1 "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Abortion is murder. Period.

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vegascowboy Son of Liberty Posts: 2,877 Posts Per Day: 12.79 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere on the prairie... Rep Power: 21890 Christian Right Winger Slogan/motto: The author of all things watches over me, and I have a fine horse. Reputation:

January 27th, 2011, 10:45 AM Quote: Originally Posted by chrysostom so what happened to joey? I already miss him When nature calls, even Joey must answer occasionally. The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. -Proverbs 28:1 "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Abortion is murder. Period.

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