Are we sinners because we sin or do we sin because we're sinners? By Oatmeal Joey Arnold L4OJ GYJO NLG of TOL TheologyOnline.

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Theology Forum | Religion | Politics | Christianity > Politics, Religion, And The Rest > Religion Are we sinners because we sin or do we sin because we're sinners? User Name Remember Me? Password Religion Discuss General Theology, Religions and Denominations, God's Attributes, Predestination and Free Will, Dispensationalism, Eschatology, Philosophy, Origins, Archaeology, Science, World History and other such topics. Page 23 of 23 « First < 13 20 21 22 23 Thread Tools godrulz God Rules! Posts: 51,900 Posts Per Day: 18.24 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Rep Power: 138613 Protestant Christian Right Wing Fanatic Slogan/motto: Know God and make Him known! Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 12:10 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Would you call me crazy if I said that I believe that original sin does not suggest that babies go to Hell? No, that is a common Protestant view. What is your logic to defend this? If sinners are separated from God and babies are sinners by birth (we sin because we are born sinners vs we are sinners because we sin), then why do they not go to hell? I believe the big reason is their NON-REJECTION of Christ (and that they are not born sinners lacking capacity to sin). Know God and make Him known! (YWAM) They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?" I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries") Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24 "No Compromise!" (Keith Green) http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=41626 JoeyArnold Over 3000 post club Posts: 3,612 Posts Per Day: 28.87 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 5886 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 12:12 AM Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz No, that is a common Protestant view. What is your logic to defend this? If sinners are separated from God and babies are sinners by birth (we sin because we are born sinners vs we are sinners because we sin), then why do they not go to hell? I believe the big reason is their NON-REJECTION of Christ (and that they are not born sinners lacking capacity to sin). If a baby dies, could Jesus ask the baby, "Do you want to get saved or go to Hell?" godrulz God Rules! Posts: 51,900 Posts Per Day: 18.24 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Rep Power: 138613 Protestant Christian Right Wing Fanatic Slogan/motto: Know God and make Him known! Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 12:14 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold If a baby dies, could Jesus ask the baby, "Do you want to get saved or go to Hell?" I suppose, but I doubt it. The baby goes to heaven and would be a dolt to say no (and would not know any other option, so why give the choice?). Know God and make Him known! (YWAM) They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?" I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries") Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24 "No Compromise!" (Keith Green) http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=41626 JoeyArnold Over 3000 post club Posts: 3,612 Posts Per Day: 28.87 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 5886 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 12:59 AM Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz I suppose, but I doubt it. The baby goes to heaven and would be a dolt to say no (and would not know any other option, so why give the choice?). Why give anybody anywhere any choice ever, anyways, then, right? krystyna Over 2500 post club Posts: 2,626 Posts Per Day: 9.07 Join Date: Jun 2010 Rep Power: 0 Protestant Christian Pinko Commie Slogan/motto: This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 11:24 AM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Krystyna, how many gods do you believe in? Is this supposed to account for your fallacy, godrulz? Don't you know my answer by Now? This it is again: Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Can you now account for your fallacies, godrulz? What on earth are you saying, godrulz? Why didn’t you account for your utterly erroneous statements made along the posts? Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz Life is honoring the Son in the same way we honor the Father, knowing them intimately, especially coming through Christ to the Father... Since "God the Holy Spirit came upon Mary" so who is Jesus' father the God the Father or God the Holy Spirit? With what did God the Holy Spirit fill God Jesus at baptism? Why do you say that "knowing them intimately, especially coming through Christ to the Father" is important? Don’t you say that Jesus is God too? Why not remain with "God Jesus" but coming to the Father through "God Jesus"? Why not "knowing intimately" "God the Holy Spirit"? Why not coming through "God Jesus" to "God the Holy Spirit"? Don’t you know it, godrulz? This is why: 2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ... Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Are you so blind, godrulz? Here comes the answer of "GOD FEARING godrulz" Quote: Originally Posted by LightSon jerzy is a scripture-twisting, Christ-dishonoring, anti-trinity hobby horse rider. Otherwise, I'm sure he's a nice guy. Which scriptures did I twist MR "WISE"? Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz Jersey is a cow: http://childrens.wcroc.cfans.umn.edu...jersey_cow.jpg Is that all you have managed to find written MR "WISE"? May God bless you godrulz. Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz You are an idiot here. You have certainly displayed your utter error here: Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz Paul did believe in the triune God even if he did not use our modern word. "he (Paul) did not use our modern word" This is, I hope, the top of your errors godrulz? Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz God cannot die unless He adds humanity in one person. He is the God-Man. God did not die, but the One who died is God. Now you confirm that Jesus didn’t have to be God, don’t you godrulz? Quote: Originally Posted by godrulz ...choosing to sin makes one a sinner when we have mental and moral capacity, not at conception. JoeyArnold Over 3000 post club Posts: 3,612 Posts Per Day: 28.87 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland, OR Rep Power: 5886 Christian More right than left Slogan/motto: With Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul? Reputation: January 21st, 2011, 09:07 PM Krystyna, how many gods do you believe in? And my name is Joey Arnold, by the way. Page 23 of 23 « First < 13 20 21 22 23 Bookmarks Twitter Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Reddit Propeller FaceBook MySpace Tags bible, salvation, sinners, soteriology, theology Thread Tools Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Jump Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2 Copyright ©2000 - 2011, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com Copyright 1997-2010 TheologyOnLine

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