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December 20th, 2010, 09:59 AM
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Are you not a monster. Romans 3:23
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December 20th, 2010, 10:01 AM
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Who?

Is there some reason we are supposed to know this person?

In any event that is what theology sites are for....for people to discuss various theologies...anyone is just as welcome to do that here, and no it is not a prerequisite that you like them.

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If you don't already know me then I will come to you in your nightmares.


Oh Noes!!! Be afraid, Jerm, be afraid.

The Joester has spoken.






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Were you, are you, will you, can you, shall you ever be a sinner?





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Were you, are you, will you, can you, shall you ever be a sinner?
She doesn't accept your moral context, Joey. And without that the term is so much magic dust to her, though she understands what you aim at well enough.

You might as well ask her if she's a Baptist.








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She doesn't accept your moral context, Joey. And without that the term is so much magic dust to her, though she understands what you aim at well enough.

You might as well ask her if she's a Baptist.

I disagree.

I was asking her if she has ever told a lie, coveted something, got tired, done something bad, hit somebody, thought badly, punched somebody, gossip, stoled, murder, did anything illegally, or disobeyed parents or authorities, or anything that was not perfect or what, because if she has not done any of those things then she is perfect and without sin whether she believes in sin or not.





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people who say "burn in hell" always make me laugh,as if there is a hell to burn in....childish fantasies to keep the ignorant in line and the collection plate full





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I disagree.
Of course you do. And you're wrong.

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I was asking her if she has ever told a lie, coveted something, got tired, done something bad, hit somebody, thought badly, punched somebody, gossip, stoled, murder, did anything illegally, or disobeyed parents or authorities, or anything that was not perfect or what, because if she has not done any of those things then she is perfect and without sin whether she believes in sin or not.
No. You didn't Joey. You asked about sin. She doesn't believe in it. You might as well ask her if she's a Martian because you define anyone who does X as being a Martian.

She rejected your definition.








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people who say "burn in hell" always make me laugh,as if there is a hell to burn in....childish fantasies to keep the ignorant in line and the collection plate full
Move over Thermal, we have another contender for this years Smug-Off crown.

What's your educational level? I have a doctorate from a rather good school. AMR has one. Chickenman...I don't know, but he's a Mensa kid (AMR was when he thought it interesting enough, assuranceagent participated once upon a time and I have the S/B score, but hate clubs)...and we all have in common a shared faith in Jesus Christ. There are others here of academic distinction and acumen that join us in that faith.

Have you anything other than this pointless, witless, posturing nonsense offered to no real impact and with less reason. In short, have you a single interesting, novel, or constructive thing to add or are you on your Christmas break and in need of a cracker?








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Move over Thermal, we have another contender for this years Smug-Off crown.

What's your educational level? I have a doctorate from a rather good school. AMR has one. Chickenman...I don't know, but he's a Mensa kid (AMR was when he thought it interesting enough, assuranceagent participated once upon a time and I have the S/B score, but hate clubs)...and we all have in common a shared faith in Jesus Christ. There are others here of academic distinction and acumen that join us in that faith.

Have you anything other than this pointless, witless, posturing nonsense offered to no real impact and with less reason. In short, have you a single interesting, novel, or constructive thing to add or are you on your Christmas break and in need of a cracker?
how very christian of you,making ignorant assumptions based on nothing. obviously you think yourself well educated but you're certainly not behaving as a gentleman or good ambassador of christianity. talk about smug.....keep speaking your pointless moronic drone in the echo chamber that is your head.it isn't jesus i have a problem with,its members of his fan club such as yourself.





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Of course you do. And you're wrong.


No. You didn't Joey. You asked about sin. She doesn't believe in it. You might as well ask her if she's a Martian because you define anyone who does X as being a Martian.

She rejected your definition.


What matters more than words are the meaning behind the words.

If I said that a tree has a trunk.

You better not start thinking about elephant trunks or car trunks.

This goes for all words.

When I say the word sin then you better not think "Oh, some kind of fantasy."

People do not have to believe in sin.

Believe what you want.

But sin represents everything.

Does not the Bible say that everything is sin.

And does the Bible not say that all is vanity.

Is not vanity sinful.

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how very christian of you,making ignorant assumptions based on nothing. obviously you think yourself well educated but you're certainly not behaving as a gentleman or good ambassador of christianity. talk about smug.....keep speaking your pointless moronic drone in the echo chamber that is your head.it isn't jesus i have a problem with,its members of his fan club such as yourself.


I agree.

We Christians are often retarded.





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Of course you do. And you're wrong.


No. You didn't Joey. You asked about sin. She doesn't believe in it. You might as well ask her if she's a Martian because you define anyone who does X as being a Martian.

She rejected your definition.
Her rejection my definition is irrelevant.

One, it is not my definition but God's.

Two, it is not about the definition but rather a simple observation upon imperfection.





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I agree.

We Christians are often retarded.
i agree,but so is everyone else sometimes....theres guilt for all around. i just have a hard time with someone questioning my level of intelligence who believes that God punished us for listening to a talking snake,then became his own father and as his own son died and by Gods blood and professing him to be our savior we are redeemed from some archaic sin of becoming enlightened as to our very nature and state of being.and of course all this comes with no evidence... yeah,sounds perfectly intelligent to me....





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i agree,but so is everyone else sometimes....theres guilt for all around. i just have a hard time with someone questioning my level of intelligence who believes that God punished us for listening to a talking snake,then became his own father and as his own son died and by Gods blood and professing him to be our savior we are redeemed from some archaic sin of becoming enlightened as to our very nature and state of being.and of course all this comes with no evidence... yeah,sounds perfectly intelligent to me....


You are right.

That does sound dumb.

We should not put such a faith just for some ancient crime by some man in a garden.

Why care about that.

Why does an ancient crime matter if it even ever occurred in the first place or not.

You are so right about that.

I hope Christians are listening.





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You are right.

That does sound dumb.

We should not put such a faith just for some ancient crime by some man in a garden.

Why care about that.

Why does an ancient crime matter if it even ever occurred in the first place or not.

You are so right about that.

I hope Christians are listening.
what christians call eating from the tree of knowledge resulting in sin,toil,pain and death,science calls our cranium expanding and our brain enlarging very quickly resulting in painful childbirth,knowledge that we will die and ability to adapt and survive....it is work. i'll take the pain with the knowledge as opposed to living an idiots life in a garden without working for anything.





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what christians call eating from the tree of knowledge resulting in sin,toil,pain and death,science calls our cranium expanding and our brain enlarging very quickly resulting in painful childbirth,knowledge that we will die and ability to adapt and survive....it is work. i'll take the pain with the knowledge as opposed to living an idiots life in a garden without working for anything.



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Her rejection my definition is irrelevant.
Not in understanding her answer, no. If you don't mean to, well, that's another thing entirely. It's called a soliloquy.

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It's your understanding/faith that there is a God and that the words are His. She doesn't share that context, so your declarations about her conduct relating to it don't amount to much by her way of thinking. They only describe what's going on inside your noggin.

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It's about her rejection of your definition/idea as a value. Though given you've just agreed with horiturk's self celebratory and presumptive nonsense, who even knows what you believe.

Do you?








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What I believe is irrelevant in the course of pioneer discovery.
I'm beginning to agree with the first part, though I haven't seen any pioneering thought as yet. Care to offer an example of it? What new intellectual creature have you given birth to?

Or will that become irrelevant as well.

In any event, you're at least partially right here. Your belief doesn't have any controlling function with regard to Rusha...which was rather the point I made earlier.








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I'm beginning to agree with the first part, though I haven't seen any pioneering thought as yet. Care to offer an example of it? What new intellectual creature have you given birth to?

Or will that become irrelevant as well.

In any event, you're at least partially right here. Your belief doesn't have any controlling function with regard to Rusha...which was rather the point I made earlier.


If what I believe is irrelevant, as we both agree is, then therefore what Rusha believes is then also very much also very irrelevant too also because and in comparison and in regards very much to the actual truth of reality out there somewhere of what truth really is beyond our ideas or opinions or perceptions upon pioneer paths towards that truth through questions and egos.





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I disagree.

I was asking her if she has ever told a lie,
No, you did not ask about lying ... you mentioned *sin*. Sin is a religious transgression ... so by that context, no, I have never sinned.

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Of course, I have done things which I would agree are wrong. However, I don't agree that those actions are *sin* for the reason I have already explained.






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No, you did not ask about lying ... you mentioned *sin*. Sin is a religious transgression ... so by that context, no, I have never sinned.



Of course, I have done things which I would agree are wrong. However, I don't agree that those actions are *sin* for the reason I have already explained.


Rusha, above, you say that you have done wrong things.

I agree.

I have done wrong things too.

There is nothing religious about that.





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Once lived a tomato.

First man came to Tomato, "You are a fruit."

This other man then interrupted, "Shut up, Tomato is not fruit, for Tomato is vegetable."





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Rusha, above, you say that you have done wrong things.

I agree.

I have done wrong things too.

There is nothing religious about that.
The word *sin* describes a religious transgression towards God.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...nary/entry/sin

# A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
# Theology

1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.

I am not a believer in God or gods and therefore, the word sin does not apply to *me*. However, you have my permission to apply it to yourself.






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The word *sin* describes a religious transgression towards God.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...nary/entry/sin

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1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.

I am not a believer in God or gods and therefore, the word sin does not apply to *me*. However, you have my permission to apply it to yourself.



I am not talking about that.





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I am not talking about that.
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Are you not a monster. Romans 3:23
Joey, IF you are not speaking of sin, perhaps you should choose another bible verse when responding.






“In a letter to Julia Ward Howe in 1873, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the woman who shocked society, Mr. Speaker, by daring to leave her house proudly showing her pregnancy–because that was just not done–wrote: `When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women to treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.’”
~ Rep. Jean Schmidt quoting Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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Joey, IF you are not speaking of sin, perhaps you should choose another bible verse when responding.


Don't look at the Bible Verse.

Look at my words.

I was just saying that I have done some things which were wrong.

And you said that you have also done things which are wrong.

We actually agree about that.

But that has nothing to do with sin.

That has nothing to do with Romans 3:23.

That has nothing to do with an imaginary God or Bible or Jesus or sin.





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Who?

Is there some reason we are supposed to know this person?

In any event that is what theology sites are for....for people to discuss various theologies...anyone is just as welcome to do that here, and no it is not a prerequisite that you like them.

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Oh Noes!!! Be afraid, Jerm, be afraid.

The Joester has spoken.
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Who?

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I am also fans of Hitler, by the way for his wits, for being cleaver, being an artist like I am, sneaking out of his house in his teen years since I did a high school book report on him, then a speech, and I made a persuasive argument to say that things would have been better had Hitler used his evil for good.
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pal joey

until they ban him we have to deal with him
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there is no way we are going to be able to ignore him

thanks to Town Heretic for the idea

so what do you think about joey?

finally here is the attention that he deserves

LEAVE HIM ALONE! READ THE CHAT.






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Wow, for a forum which is meant to debate 'theology' and what it is to live a meaningful life, some of the remarks on here disgust me. In fact, I'm half tempted to never sign on to this forum ever again.





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Wow, for a forum which is meant to debate 'theology' and what it is to live a meaningful life, some of the remarks on here disgust me. In fact, I'm half tempted to never sign on to this forum ever again.
That's like swearing to never have kids ever again if your teenager leaves home, starts doing drugs, and so on. You should never give up on people because God never gives up on people. God came so that some might be saved. He came to the lost, the blind, us. Never give up. You don't have to stay here but do live for God in whatever that you do, wherever that you go, help people.





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