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| January 18th, 2011, 09:46 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold  So in other words, my religion is worser than others, and that's why I was banned. Because my religion is the only religion that is not tolerated here on TOL. My religion is worser than Satanism, Atheism, Christianity, Judaism, or anything else. | No, because you're dense and tedious and apparently don't have a marinade recipe.
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| January 18th, 2011, 09:52 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold What? Did I say Jesus? Well, that's why I started that thread "Why is Jesus not God?" Then when I said that Jesus was dirt, Knight thought I was being derogative because it sounds racist, bias, bad, negative, closed-minded, blasphemous, or something not so good, if you were to say that Jesus is dirt. But if you think about it, you would realize that it really meant that Jesus was just a man. Non-Trinitarians believe that. | You didn't get banned for being non-trinitarian. To blaspheme means to speak evil of. Think about where you are. You don't come to a sight like this and say those kinds of things about Jesus Christ. To put it politely; it's just dumb. There are a thousand sites you can go to and say whatever you want and you won't get banned; but not here. If you don't like those restraints; go somewhere with less restraints. I personally was on a non-restraint site for years debating people of various persuasions; finally I got sick of hearing their crap so I left. If you went to a satanist site and began to speak words of praise toward Jesus Christ - you'd probably get banned there for that too. It's all about perspective.
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| January 18th, 2011, 09:56 PM Quote: Originally Posted by WizardofOz  Yeah, but should homosexuals and adulterers get the death penalty? | Blasphemers and idolaters used to get it, too. How come they don't rate it anymore? What changed?
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| January 18th, 2011, 09:58 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Guyver If you went to a satanist site and began to speak words of praise toward Jesus Christ - you'd probably get banned there for that too. | More likely he'd just get laughed at...
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:17 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Guyver You didn't get banned for being non-trinitarian.
To blaspheme means to speak evil of. Think about where you are. You don't come to a sight like this and say those kinds of things about Jesus Christ. To put it politely; it's just dumb.
There are a thousand sites you can go to and say whatever you want and you won't get banned; but not here. If you don't like those restraints; go somewhere with less restraints.
I personally was on a non-restraint site for years debating people of various persuasions; finally I got sick of hearing their crap so I left.
If you went to a satanist site and began to speak words of praise toward Jesus Christ - you'd probably get banned there for that too.
It's all about perspective. | Right, perspective is fine, as long as it is made known which perspective TOL is coming from. If the perspective of TOL is truly a Christian-only perspective forum, then, as oppose to Satanist or Atheist, or anything else, then it does have the right to deem certain things blasphemous, including the concept or doctrines or views to who Jesus is. Saying that Jesus is dirt is the same as saying that Jesus is not God. What is Blasphemous to God?If Jesus is God, and you came up to Jesus one day and told Jesus that Jesus is not God, then would Jesus not be offended, if Jesus is God? Not saying that Jesus is God. But say that the next day, I came up to Jesus and said that Jesus was dirt, would Jesus just deem my words as much more blasphemous than your words of saying that Jesus is not God? If Jesus is not God then Jesus is reduced to just dirt, right? Would my words (dirt) be so much more worse than the similar parallel denial to his Deity Lordship? The perspective of TOL is at question. Due to my experience in getting banned off of this site, I have come to the conclusion that TOL is a Christian perspective forum site. That is fine, in and of itself. But the only question or problem that I have concerning that is about the boundaries between TOL's Christian perspective and the other religions, Atheism, cults, or anything else, that they let into this place. For example, if you went up to God and said, "I don't believe in you." How is that not blasphemy? But since TOL allows Atheists to join this site, then they allow that kind of blasphemy. So, in other words, TOL has allowed for some blasphemy, but they still won't allow room for my blasphemy, my perspective, my beliefs, my religions.
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:27 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold Right, perspective is fine, as long as it is made known which perspective TOL is coming from. If the perspective of TOL is truly a Christian-only perspective forum, then, as oppose to Satanist or Atheist, or anything else, then it does have the right to deem certain things blasphemous, including the concept or doctrines or views to who Jesus is. Saying that Jesus is dirt is the same as saying that Jesus is not God. | There's nothing in the definition of Christianity that prohibits non-trinitarians. TOL is primarily a Christian site; but it welcomes all comers; as long as they abide by the rules. And, I've been banned too; so welcome to the club. PS. If you want to say that Jesus was only a man; fine. Even though I think that's crazy. But to say he is dirt is over the line.
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:30 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Guyver There's nothing in the definition of Christianity that prohibits non-trinitarians.
TOL is primarily a Christian site; but it welcomes all comers; as long as they abide by the rules. And, I've been banned too; so welcome to the club.
PS. If you want to say that Jesus was only a man; fine. Even though I think that's crazy. But to say he is dirt is over the line. | Being banned (myself) basically tells me not to write like a sharp double-bladed sword (not to be confused with God's Word).
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:32 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Guyver There's nothing in the definition of Christianity that prohibits non-trinitarians.
TOL is primarily a Christian site; but it welcomes all comers; as long as they abide by the rules. And, I've been banned too; so welcome to the club.
PS. If you want to say that Jesus was only a man; fine. Even though I think that's crazy. But to say he is dirt is over the line. | Why? Humans are made of dirt, mud, water. If somebody is human then they are made of dust: Genesis 2:7.
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:32 PM You could look "blasphemy" up in a dictionary and try to decide what type of statements would fit the bill. Make a list.
Just don't post it.
It's not that you a few of you don't know what it means, it's that you deny the very concept exists.
Mix that little mental exercise with buying a TOL membership, thereby gaining access to The Woodshed where you can spend a moment looking through infractions for "intentional blasphemy".
I think that after this, everything will become much more clear.
Well, not everything.
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:38 PM Quote: Originally Posted by WizardofOz You could look "blasphemy" up in a dictionary and try to decide what type of statements would fit the bill. Make a list.
Just don't post it.
It's not that you a few of you don't know what it means, it's that you deny the very concept exists.
Mix that little mental exercise with buying a TOL membership, thereby gaining access to The Woodshed where you can spend a moment looking through infractions for "intentional blasphemy".
I think that after this, everything will become much more clear.
Well, not everything. | If there is a God, then Blasphemy is rebellion against God. In other words, we can't escape it: Romans 3:23, 5:12.
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| January 18th, 2011, 10:40 PM Quote: Originally Posted by JoeyArnold If there is a God, then Blasphemy is rebellion against God. In other words, we can't escape it: Romans 3:23, 5:12. | No really, just look it up in a dictionary.
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| January 18th, 2011, 11:00 PM Quote: Originally Posted by WizardofOz No really, just look it up in a dictionary. | No, Wizard of Oz, I already looked up Blasphemy: and the dictionary said that it means rebellion, depravity, sinning against God, or a higher power, or against mother nature, or absolute truth, or something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy
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| January 18th, 2011, 11:31 PM Quote: Originally Posted by WizardofOz | thanks
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| January 18th, 2011, 11:42 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Silent Hunter Knight is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.
I think it stuck in his craw that I made him look foolish by my observation . . . which was unintended but noticed in hindsight.
I did not even remotely think an accurate observation about the actions of his chosen deity to be "blasphemous" and therefore was . . . UNintentional. | Silent Hunter, that is exactly why I was also unintentional, too, concerning my so-called blasphemy.
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